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    #16
    Re: Confuse about runtime license...

    Originally posted by ANiceGuy View Post
    Another question I really hope to get answer is, if I install alpha 5 on a machine, can I run my custom application on the same machine,without opening alpha five software to run it , and without needing to buy an RT or run engine license. It look weird for me to run my application in alpha 5 software.
    Tom already answered this question, but just to clarify. In the past, at least, Alpha stated that the RT and the full development version are identical - except that the RT could not create a new, or modify an existing, database. Basically they described the RT as identical to the full w. an internal switch set to "RT". As Tom said, you cannot create a free-standing exe w. A5. Actually, when you create an application in A5 there is nothing that is ever "compiled" - unless you create an aex file. And even that is not compiled, it just provides a relatively secure way of making your functions and scripts portable from one db to another. Note: aex files can be readily hacked by certain talented individuals.
    Peter
    AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

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    https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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      #17
      Re: Confuse about runtime license...

      Originally posted by ANiceGuy View Post
      Thanks for answering some of my questions. Look like platinum version did have some interesting features (other than SQL support). Look like platinum version is the way to go.

      "If you install Alpha 5 on your machine, you do not need to install the runtime or run engine on your machine." -- I get what you mean. However, if I dont install runtime or run engine on the machine(which I install alpha 5), that would mean I need to open alpha 5 in order to run my application. This not what I want. I prefer to run my custom application without opening alpha 5. Alpha 5 is like visual studio .net IDE. If I want to run an application for my own use (made by visual studio.net IDE), I would definitely prefer to run it alone, rather than open the IDE, and run it from inside. (We usually run our application using IDE for debugging code purpose).


      But I have not yet get the answer of how many machines can I install alpha 5 onto? Is it user based or machine-based? (I am referring to alpha 5 IDE, not the runtime).
      The ALPHA IDE can be installed on your desktop machine and your laptop if you have one. This does not mean you can give your license to someone else so they can install it on their machine. One license, one developer.

      If you need to wipe your machine, you can remove the license from your alpha installation before wiping. Then just install again and it should work. If you can't remove the license before wiping the hard drive, if it doesn't allow you to install the license, just contact tech support and they can clear the license # to be installed again. This happened to me once and Alpha took care of it the same day.
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      Barry Kucher
      http://www.411tech.org

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        #18
        Re: Confuse about runtime license...

        Okay. Thanks. Actually my intention develop using my home desktop, and run the developed application in my office desktop.


        Look like I will have to install alpha five to develop the applications using my home desktop, and install alpha five just to run the application in my office desktop.

        If there is really a need, maybe I may consider buying a single user RT license seperately (which can be redistributed to run on as many machines as possible, correct me if I am wrong).

        Thank you everyone for your help.

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          #19
          Re: Confuse about runtime license...

          Originally posted by ANiceGuy View Post
          Look like I will have to install alpha five to develop the applications using my home desktop, and install alpha five just to run the application in my office desktop.
          Yeah. I think you can do that w/o buying any additional licenses.

          If there is really a need, maybe I may consider buying a single user RT license seperately (which can be redistributed to run on as many machines as possible, correct me if I am wrong).
          I think that is correct. But read the wording of the RT license very carefully to make sure you are getting what you expect. Not that long ago you couldn't go wrong. Now it's much more complicated.
          Peter
          AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

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          https://www.alphabasesolutions.com


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            #20
            Re: Confuse about runtime license...

            Actually there is something that is weird. I mean if a single user RT license can be runned on as many machines as we can, why do we still need multiple user RT license??

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              #21
              Re: Confuse about runtime license...

              Originally posted by ANiceGuy View Post
              Actually there is something that is weird. I mean if a single user RT license can be runned on as many machines as we can, why do we still need multiple user RT license??
              I believe that the single user cannot be used in a network environment. IOWs, if you develop a network product to be used simultaneously by more than one person at a given site, you need a multi-RT. OTOH, if your product is a stand-alone program, you could sell 100 copies to a single company/site and 100 users could use it (but each user has their own local data set unrelated to any other user).
              Peter
              AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

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                #22
                Re: Confuse about runtime license...

                Originally posted by Peter.Greulich View Post
                I believe that the single user cannot be used in a network environment.
                It can but not for a multi-user app, e.g. a single user RT app CAN access DBF files/tables that are stored centrally, but only one user at a time can do so... You can however still programmatically access and update SQL databases which makes it very useful for monitoring apps and other tools.

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                  #23
                  Re: Confuse about runtime license...

                  Ok. Thanks everyone. I made up my mind...A single user RT license is the way to go..since I am only creating a standalone app to be used by me only...


                  Thank you everyone for helping me make up the decision.

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                    #24
                    Re: Confuse about runtime license...

                    Originally posted by ANiceGuy View Post
                    I made up my mind...A single user RT license is the way to go..since I am only creating a standalone app to be used by me only...
                    Not sure I agree w. you. Now you will need to buy the developers version and the RT. Since you are the only user, why do you need an RT?
                    Peter
                    AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

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                      #25
                      Re: Confuse about runtime license...

                      Originally posted by Peter.Greulich View Post
                      Not sure I agree w. you. Now you will need to buy the developers version and the RT. Since you are the only user, why do you need an RT?

                      I agree with you too. That is where I am in a dilemna, to buy a RT or not.
                      If I do not buy, I save some money.
                      If I buy, I can run my custom application on another machine (still used by me) without a need to install alpha 5. It just simply feel so weird to run custom application using alpha 5. alpha 5 is supposed to be an IDE for developing software, not for running software.

                      Oh by the way, I saw on the URL (broken link removed)​ that it cost $499 under the heading Alpha Five V9 Platinum Runtime Licenses. I was shocked that the RT for 1 user is $499. Tell me that this price include the alpha v5 itself + 1 RT license, rather than just purely the RT license.
                      Last edited by Lenny Forziati; 05-23-2023, 10:02 AM. Reason: broken link removed

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                        #26
                        Re: Confuse about runtime license...

                        Originally posted by ANiceGuy View Post

                        Oh by the way, I saw on the URL (broken link removed)​ that it cost $499 under the heading Alpha Five V9 Platinum Runtime Licenses. I was shocked that the RT for 1 user is $499. Tell me that this price include the alpha v5 itself + 1 RT license, rather than just purely the RT license.

                        Runtime Bundles (No Active-Link Tables.) Buy Bundle #8 Alpha Five V9 + 1-User Runtime $699.00 $599.00
                        (INTRO! Save $299)
                        But again, it sounds like you don't need the RT. Remember, the RT is identical to the development version - except you cant create or edit applications.
                        Last edited by Lenny Forziati; 06-02-2023, 01:53 PM. Reason: removed broken link
                        Peter
                        AlphaBase Solutions, LLC

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                          #27
                          Re: Confuse about runtime license...

                          You do not need the RT if you are going to be the only user and only need to use two machines. All that is built in to the developer version at no extra cost. If you want to use more than two machines you will need the RT, but only one machine can be used on the database at one time concurrently.

                          As to your question about reformatting and re-activating. I do this all the time. It a PITA but Alpha Software does accommodate this. I change machines frequently and re-install my A5 on new machines after retiring or giving away the old machine. I have to e-mail Alpha and they deactivate the old machine name for me and then I am able to re-activate. Since you get 30 days to do the activation this works out okay for me. As long as you are not trying to go beyond the licensing agreement Alpha Five will help you keep the licensing and activation after a machine change.

                          They tell you to just keep the same machine name and then it all happens automatically. But I prefer to name my machines uniquely at each generation. This the need to e-mail Alpha for help. Minor inconvenience but it works.

                          Sean

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                            #28
                            Re: Confuse about runtime license...

                            Originally posted by seaken64 View Post
                            You do not need the RT if you are going to be the only user and only need to use two machines. All that is built in to the developer version at no extra cost.
                            At just $100 extra it is very useful to have the single user RT though - especially because of the potential for writing little single user tools (after all you don't even need to use the dbf files for things like an FTP tool etc.).

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                              #29
                              Re: Confuse about runtime license...

                              Originally posted by Peter.Greulich View Post

                              Runtime Bundles (No Active-Link Tables.) Buy Bundle #8 Alpha Five V9 + 1-User Runtime $699.00 $599.00
                              (INTRO! Save $299)
                              But again, it sounds like you don't need the RT. Remember, the RT is identical to the development version - except you cant create or edit applications.
                              Thank you for your suggestion. Yup, I know that RT is identical to the development version except cannot create oe edit applications. That is why i am in dilemna. So ultimately I prefer to buy the RT license at very later date, should I need it.

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