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    #16
    RE: Alpha Developers

    The simplest answer: For $1600 you can buy an unlimited run-time and distribute as many V5.5 apps to as many users as you want.

    (And if you think you'll only sell apps that require 20 or less users, or 10 or less users, there are even lower cost options that can eventually be upgraded)

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      #17
      RE: Alpha Developers

      Tom, thanks for the answer. When you say 10 or 20 users I am assuming that you are talking about concurrent/Named users on a network, correct?

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        #18
        RE: Alpha Developers

        Hi Cal

        The article you are talking about is "A Concurrent Licensing System for Alpha Five Applications", its by Tom Cone.

        Robert

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          #19
          RE: Alpha Developers

          Yes

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            #20
            RE: Alpha Developers

            Darn. I meant 5.0, not 5.5

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              #21
              RE: Alpha Developers

              To state what I think has been mentioned in this thread.

              If you had an infinite number of customers to whom you wanted to sell an application that you had developed in Alpha Five v5, you could do this buy buying ONE copy of the 10 user unlimited runtime (provided none of these customers would need more than 10 simultaneous users).

              The price on this runtime is $799 or $899 (upgrade or regular)

              thanks
              Richard Rabins

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                #22
                RE: Alpha Developers

                That statement is very true but what i am trying to do is take this tool into enterprise situations and the 1600.00 runtime + 349.00 total is a significant outlay when trying to determine whether to switch tools or not. Granted most of the other tools come in basic, professional, and enterprise editions which allow you to get into the tools but give you the ability to distribute your apps. This is a lot for one-man shops like myself to initially field test a new tool no matter how good it is. Is this a tool that is gearing toward the enterprise. Thanks All

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                  #23
                  RE: Alpha Developers

                  To test it all you need is the $349.00 app. After you have tested it and you want to distribute it you will need one of the runtimes. If you are talking enterprise in the sense of a lot of users the $1600.00 isn't a lot. (Check the price of Oracle, an enterprise app) The 10 user runtime is 8-900$. You don't have to sell a lot of apps to make that up.

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                    #24
                    RE: Alpha Developers

                    If I develop an A5 application for a large corporate entity with a single databse copy and multi-user access then I expect there is going to be a significant investment required in licensing and distributing my product.
                    No, what I am talking about here is the single user market, the desktop PC users with a stand-alone application, be they home or business users. They are cost conscious and know what they want when they see it. But they won't like it if they don't like the price.
                    An $800 surcharge on my development is unsustainable. I cannot sell a product if I am faced with this cost. To avoid this cost I can develop the database components in Alpha Five. I can then use something else (for example C++ Builder which has a dBASE interface) to provide the user front end. In this way I can deliver a fully compiled royalty-free application to the end user. The only thing I lose is the productivity benefit of using Alpha Five.
                    I don't want to have to work this way but if I have no choice ...

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                      #25
                      RE: Alpha Developers

                      Okay, so instead of purchasing Alpha and their $899 runtime, you're going to save money by buying Alpha and building your front ends in the $999 C++ Builder from Delphi?

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                        #26
                        RE: Alpha Developers

                        Yep, that's about it. But A5 costs more than that if you include the runtime and the development version. Also, C++ Builder is a sunk cost for me.

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                          #27
                          RE: Alpha Developers

                          From Borland, not Delphi.

                          RF-ARS Motorola

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                            #28
                            RE: Alpha Developers

                            > however there many other programs out there that do
                            > create true "exe" files without any external DLLs,
                            > packages or runtime files.


                            Yes...They are compilers, not application development products, such as Alpha Five. You could create your application in C/C++ and compile it. However, to get any database functionality, you'd either have to write it yourself or buy a third party db engine. In that case, you'd still have to distribute the db engine.
                            Aaron Brown
                            Alpha Software Development Team

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                              #29
                              RE: Alpha Developers

                              OK,

                              Although I'm not a ventriloquist, please allow me to through my voice into the ring. :)

                              I have one client with > 23

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                                #30
                                RE: Alpha Developers

                                Aaron,

                                >>Yes...They are compilers, not application development >>products, such as Alpha Five. You could create your >>application in C/C++ and compile it. However, to get >>anydatabase functionality, you'd either have to write it >>yourself or buy a third party db engine. In that case, >>you'd still have to distribute the db engine.

                                Yes and No, you could create a database application strictly using text files and your program would be one single "exe", though NOT recommended. Also when using ADO, all files necessary are already existing in the operating system, again the application would be one single "exe" file and NO third party engine is needed.

                                RF-ARS Motorola

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