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    #16
    Re: build the sql database

    I don't know enough about the software industry to say with any certainty, but I would think Alpha would be an interesting take-over candidate by one of the larger SQL players...particularly Oracle, so they could directly tie in their own flavor of SQL. Alpha has always seemed a diamond in the rough, just one deep pocket away from developing truly great software with appropriate documentation and industry-wide recognition.

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      #17
      Re: build the sql database

      Hi Tom,
      I agree and am pushing almost too hard on them. I and others keep coming up with suggestions as fast and hard as we can. That suggestion sight sucks, so doing it here and in any thread.

      There are others out there who have a system of local storage on a phone or tablet, Alpha needs this for a data based system. I don't need pictures of how you can look at stocks. I need to know if alpha can store data on a tablet if there is not phone connection until that data can be synched back to the database online.

      This is only one concern. Phones and tablets do not always have the room for a mysql or mssql databse and the server for those, so what is the plan?

      Originally posted by TPeterson View Post
      I don't know enough about the software industry to say with any certainty, but I would think Alpha would be an interesting take-over candidate by one of the larger SQL players...particularly Oracle, so they could directly tie in their own flavor of SQL. Alpha has always seemed a diamond in the rough, just one deep pocket away from developing truly great software with appropriate documentation and industry-wide recognition.
      Dave Mason
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      Skype is dave.mason46

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        #18
        Re: build the sql database

        Right now, I have to purchase something like navicat, to make a sql table and synch it with a db online. cost for all flavors is 599, alpha is probably going to be 1299 per yr, a msserver hosted at about 40.00 extra a month, carry the load for c++, again for other stuff. Oh and don't gorget the famous "WAS"

        scenario is: If I can make 5 apps in the year and deploy them, what is my cost? and can I be assured the tools are there for what I need all the way through? If I do these 5 apps, my cost is somewhere around 4359.00 since navicat is a 3 year write off I assumed 200 for the year was at 500 ea, the extra for the hosting only on one site(mine) and 1299.00

        You can say the was at 500 is not a factor, but it is a factor.

        I really hate beating them to death like this.
        Dave Mason
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        Skype is dave.mason46

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          #19
          Re: build the sql database

          Originally posted by DaveM View Post
          Marcel, DBF was not a FoxPro invention, nor Clipper, nor basic.
          I did not say it was Dave. I said, that Alpha implemented the FoxPro DBF system, not that FoxPro invented it. I even stated "....which was not their own invention either....".

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            #20
            Re: build the sql database

            actually, alpha adopted it from dbase, but later people have gotten the idea that is was FoxPro. No problem. The first versions I used, many years ago, we used dbase 3 tables as out base.

            You could also argue they got it from Clipper 87 that used the same tables and had some wicked fast indexing also. The big thing FoxPro added was their use of an algorithm that was also wicked fast. I don't know if it was clipper or FoxPro that actually came up with it and not even sure it was the same technology. Debase could not compete with the speed back then.

            Another database that was around back then was adopted by many basic programmers was absolutely the fastest, but for large tables, which meant larger indexes failed at hich numbers of records. Somewhere in the 15000 area.
            Dave Mason
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            Skype is dave.mason46

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              #21
              Re: build the sql database

              Jose,

              Offline storage is not yet there and Alpha is very well aware of that. The issue is not just offline storage but also syncing. Also html5 local storage technology hasn't yet matured but once a broad (sql) standard comes forward I'm sure Alpha will be one of the first to adopt it.
              Frank

              Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand

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                #22
                Re: build the sql database

                Originally posted by Clipper87 View Post
                Jose,

                Offline storage is not yet there and Alpha is very well aware of that. The issue is not just offline storage but also syncing. Also html5 local storage technology hasn't yet matured but once a broad (sql) standard comes forward I'm sure Alpha will be one of the first to adopt it.
                A little voice in the back of my head says that it remembers that Alpha once was "almost ready" with offline storage and syncing to a level where you could work with the **WEB**-application if you had no internet connection and it would exchange the data once re-connected. And that was YEARS ago. I never heard of it anymore since then so I wonder if it was ever implemented and if not, why not. What went wrong, since Alpha was quite thrilled with the feature (understandably) back then and reported its progress developing it. Could it have been more difficult (to a level where it failed in the end) or just instable or something else?

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                  #23
                  Re: build the sql database

                  I think because they saw html5 coming they may have decided no to continue with their proprietary solution. There's a lot involved here and all browsers have to first adapt to a standard (the 5Mb storage space currently available with html5 is not what you're looking for). That's another something you get when you step into Alpha: the vision of some extremely talented people that bring technology to an understandable level for us.
                  Frank

                  Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand

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                    #24
                    Re: build the sql database

                    Html 5 has a 5 mb limit on local storage? That would be front end storage? Serverside storage not affected? How could it be?? Means html5 cannot handle past 5mb on a phone/tablet? while there are larger ones, Most phones/tablets only have 4 to 8 gb.

                    The local storage is used on a local machine similar to, but not like a cookie? Why would you need more than 5 mb on a machine for storage? If you were programming very badly and downloaded a whole database from the server onto the client browser?

                    I would think any decent programmer would have enough sense to ONLY use that 5 mb properly.

                    added: I remember when we had 2 hard drives that did not make it to 5mb.

                    The tablets I may have to do a job for: samsung galaxy - 8 gig, 4g, wireless, wifi, dual core processor, 1 gig ram.

                    I will use sqlite(very small foot print) and only the db that is needed. I can easily live in 5 mb alloted space. inventory list with prices(no pictures), empty tables to fill orders. That is simple enough.
                    Last edited by DaveM; 06-12-2013, 01:28 PM.
                    Dave Mason
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